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manszar 19.05.15 - 06:36am

@ xfrankie - 18.05.15 - 06:10pm
that was the point? Coz it really appeared like the pw was avoiding linking the good to God. The hate and evil is rather a consequence of man's actions. If man in free will chooses what is right, he derives the benefits there of, same with what's wrong..it is the nature of choice, that u reap from it.

You cant say its the nature of choice then claim all the good is from God. Adam did not have the knowledge to make a well informed free will choice. Much like children. We can make bad free will choices that we think are the right ones. * +

manszar 19.05.15 - 06:39am

@ xfrankie - 18.05.15 - 06:56pm
Abraham is called the father of faith for a reason, He didn't ask God why, He was simply obedient, because when you believe He is Master of All, you treat Him as such, my minute knowledge compared to His Infinite Wisdom is incomparable, He knows why He is slapping.

A God would never have needed to test Abraham in such a way. The devil on the other hand would have had to test him in such a way. To make sure he believed he was god * +

manszar 19.05.15 - 06:45am

@ xfrankie - 18.05.15 - 06:39pm
But why should they suffer, hunger, disease. My nephew 4, has a skin conditon, can scratch himself literally till he bleeds. another chronic asthma and he is just 15months, Even though the Word is clear, he cannot sin, nor be held accountable, he has the sin nature that is the human body, and the fragility of it, a consequence of the sin.

Shouldn't you be all John 14:14 over that. Surely if the bible is all you say it is then jesus will cure them. Dont the true follower of christ cure and eat poison and stuffs? * +

xfrankie 19.05.15 - 07:28am

@ manszar - 19.05.15 - 06:31am
But according to you jesus paid for that sin. So if that is true then no child should suffer the consequence of adams sin if they are free from it under christ.

the same message unlearned pastors spread all over africa, I don't know about the rest of the world, but here it is a biggy. People shouldn't fall sick, no suffering, riches are yours, blah blah, Christ paid it all. well the FACTS, say otherwise, so either Jesus lied... OR people don't get what He REALLY DIED for..which was the ETERNAL consequences of sin, His Apostles, ALL suffered, till death Paul was tortured, broke, sick, even though He was granted miracles and power. Jesus on earth didn't even have His own House. * +

xfrankie 19.05.15 - 07:34am
So Yes Jesus's Death and Resurrection, dealt a death blow to sin for the eternal punishment that is to come, But as we still live on this earth now, the curse from the garden, as is very clearly evident is still ACTIVE. * +

xfrankie 19.05.15 - 07:38am

@ manszar - 19.05.15 - 06:36am
You cant say its the nature of choice then claim all the good is from God. Adam did not have the knowledge to make a well informed free will choice. Much like children. We can make bad free will choices that we think are the right ones.

I can't do this part again, been here way too much. do with it as you please * +

xfrankie 19.05.15 - 07:41am

@ manszar - 19.05.15 - 06:39am
A God would never have needed to test Abraham in such a way. The devil on the other hand would have had to test him in such a way. To make sure he believed he was god

I'm telling this to you as a FACT, you didn't get Abraham either. By that statement I see in you the very same reasoning I had. * +

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