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Subject: Tithing

iminuru 14.07.17 - 04:40am
ok. @endemic. Its clear now, tithing is 1 out of 10, its not obligatory, and alms can be any thing. As far as Zakat is concerned, It becomes compulsory upon if, if a person possesses 612.35 grams (19.6875 troy ounces) of silver or 87.479 grams (2.8125 troy ounces ) of gold or any currency that equals the value of this amount of gold or silver, and this wealth remains in his possession for a complete Lunar year then it will be necessary to pay Zakah (1 out of 40) on it. Giving alms is highly appreciated in Islam, alms can be any thing (halal). * +

ladibud 14.07.17 - 08:24am

Imo no. You should, if following it to the letter, give it from money earned not borrowed.... But I believe if you can't give, don't give. * +

xfrankie 14.07.17 - 08:12pm

the real question should be, is Tithing still applicable or relevant in the New Covenant?

A proper Biblical exposition shows it is not. First, to correct some conventional albeit unbiblical beliefs. the purported tithing of 10 as understood and presumed to apply today is arbitrary selection, based on Old Testament law, since the actual totality of tithe required then was closer to 23, Lev. 27:30-37 (10), Num. 18:21-28, Deu. 12:6-17 (10), 14:22-28 (3), 26:12-14, Tithing relating to produce, Feasts and the Indigent's welfare, that's not including that in Lev. 19 nor Chron. 31:5.
That was mandatory, infact it is written in Leviticus 27, it belongs to the Lord, to withhold it is to steal from the Lord Chronicles 31.
it is apparent that manner of Tithing is a keen to taxation, which technically it was, for the theocracy that was Israel.
it is thus peculiar to apply one and ignore the rest

That Biblical instruction for Giving has two primary aspects, that were common in Biblical history, the 3 Dispensations periods From Adam to Moses, from Moses to Jesus, From Jesus to Today.

There was giving borne of Freewill, and that which was Mandatory.
The Mandatory ( Tithing / Taxation) is giving is primarily and solely found in the Mosiac period, between Moses and Jesus. Multiple Tithes for those that worked the temple, for the needy and for festivities.

Freewill has always been common from beginning, right thru the Mosiac era into the Grace Period under The New Covenant. 1 Cor. 16:12, 2 Cor. 9:7

God's pattern for giving was never Tithing in the New Testament nor Old, its always been a matter of the heart. to give joyfully and sacrificially, not by coercion nor compulsion nor legalistically, James 1:5, * +

xfrankie 14.07.17 - 08:30pm
What's wrong with 10?. for one, its not Biblical, secondly the manner it is crafted gives it a perception to fulfil an obligation rather than a response of giving with a willing heart. thirdly it hinders what you could do by making you think you're done.

The reason Tithing isn't giving, is because it tithing isn't yours in the first place, it belongs to God, and to not do it is to rob God, Malachi 3, one can't give what doesn't belong to you

Luke 16:10, 2 Cor. 8, its not about nor has it ever been about how much you give, but rather the heart with which you give, a Biblical principle since the beginning of creation. God loves a cheerful giver * +

10125141 16.07.17 - 01:42pm
So these leaders who classed them selfs as high up as royalty, force fed their slaves @ people with fear and progangda that if they dint meet their goals. They wood face dire consequences. In today's soility that wood be known as intimidation. * +

obi_jon 28.07.17 - 10:55am
Ask Donald Trump and other followers of the totally phoney, purportedly christian, 'prosperity gospel' this question. His religious belief is just as bogus as the rest of his bullshit beliefs. What would Republican Jesus do? Certainly not care for the sick or feed and clothe the poor that's for sure, that's some 'un-american' socialist commie talk right there, yee-haw. * +

obi_jon 28.07.17 - 11:00am
If you're wondering what that has to do with tithing, adherents of the 'prosperity gospel' are supposed to be into that too, although I seriously doubt Donald Trump has ever given away a penny, certainly not of his own money anyway. * +

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