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manszar 11.01.17 - 12:20pm
in matthew jesus says the stars will fall from the sky. which of course is impossible, its almost like he didnt understand the nature of those things, * +

0gypsy0 11.01.17 - 01:05pm

@ halman - 9.01.17 - 08:05pm
Evil will not always be there. The world is worse because we live in the last days of this system of things. It's coming to it's end. Jesus gave a composite sign in Matthew chapters 24 and 25. Also, Revelation chapter 12 vss 10 to 12 show that Satan and his rebel angels, battled with the faithful angels but were thrown down to the vicinity of the earth. Pictured as a dragon he has great anger because he knows his time is short. It's the Kingdom of God that will remove all wickedness soon... read Daniel 2 vs 44. Revelation 21 vss 3 to 5 show better conditions on earth when evil is done away with. Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, Matthew 5 vs 5...

yeah and after the Armageddon there will be that resurrection and people will live in paradise for 1000 years . But do you care to explain this verses about the bad ones from the grave who will be resurrected to be condemned ? And no , the ''evil angels or rebels one aren't in the grave waiting to be resurrected and judged , please dont twist it mr JW ,



John 5:28-29 New International Version (NIV)
28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come outthose who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned



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0gypsy0 11.01.17 - 01:10pm
and why do JW's always read only verse 28 from John chapter 5 while preaching and totally ignore verse 29 ? * +

alvar89 11.01.17 - 09:41pm

@ manszar - 11.01.17 - 12:20pm
in matthew jesus says the stars will fall from the sky. which of course is impossible, its almost like he didnt understand the nature of those things,

A pedant will always have a hard time getting someones point especially when dealing with ancient philosophical stories they have something against. Ppl who want it to look bad will say the story of genesis is written as a accurate scientific book also which its clearly not. When we all would be like this we would see expressive speech like oh in a second im there etc to be dead and gone. * +

halman 19.02.17 - 07:14pm

@ 0gypsy0 - 11.01.17 - 01:05pm
yeah and after the Armageddon there will be that resurrection and people will live in paradise for 1000 years . But do you care to explain this verses about the bad ones from the grave who will be resurrected to be condemned ? And no , the ''evil angels or rebels one aren't in the grave waiting to be resurrected and judged , please dont twist it mr JW ,



John 5:28-29 New International Version (NIV)
28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come outthose who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned



Their resurrection would be one of condemnation IF they went on to do bad and ignore the laws that they'll be taught. After all, Romans 6:7, says For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin. * +

halman 19.02.17 - 07:17pm

@ 0gypsy0 - 11.01.17 - 01:10pm
and why do JW's always read only verse 28 from John chapter 5 while preaching and totally ignore verse 29 ?

No..we don't ignore verse 29... * +

halman 19.02.17 - 08:33pm

@ manszar - 11.01.17 - 12:20pm
in matthew jesus says the stars will fall from the sky. which of course is impossible, its almost like he didnt understand the nature of those things,

Jesus spoke in illustrations or parrables, used hyperbole and symbolic and figurative language. Stars in the Bible also can refer to people, angels, rulers etc. The resurrected Jesus refered to himself as the bright morning star, in the book of Revelation. Darkening of sun moon and stars is used for prophetic warnings. Jesus also used expressions like Joel 2: 31, when speaking of the time of the end. Stars falling being a symbolic part of the warnings. Doctrinally, Jesus was used to bring forth creation such as the stars, so he definately understood the nature of things. Anyway, those who wish to find out more, go to www.jw.org * +

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