Yeshua the jewish Messiah

Subject: Yeshua the jewish Messiah

alvar89 31.08.15 - 06:12pm
Just as we read God hardened there hearts and blinded them etc the clear point in this is the way God has made the system to work. Just as the jews were blinded etc the scripture talked about them worshipping a god they made with there hands and if you read the whole OT you see the big picture and all they did against God. They did horrible things even sacrificing there babies to baal etc they ran after other gods who actually were Gods enemy collecting the souls behind those rituals. * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 02:41am

@ alvar89 - 31.08.15 - 05:44pm
Manszars god has no need for judgement so everyone can chill and have no real reason to repent. Its like a society without a prison everyone gets away with there crime so there will be no change only kaos. My God is so Holy he will not bend His will to agreeing with unrighteousness and is a fair Judge. The God in the bible (not Manszars god) said the vages of sin is death and there is nothing to argue about that being fair punishment. The ones in there selfish sinning harming others will not eat of the tree of life and thats how this world is built. Are you so forward seeing that you see what a corrupted judge who just lets you go does to the society in bigger concept?

what is just about killing a animal for a sin you committed? it is beyond disgusting to claim god set up a system were you could pay for a sin with the killing of a animal. we today know this is not justice. image if we could r*pe and kill then just pay a fine to get of. that is what you claim gods justice is. to repent is what we do when we feel bad about what we have done. killing a animal is not repenting. a corrupted judge is the act you claim of jesus because he pays for the sin you committed. you get of scot free. * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 02:45am

again you have no interest in those that are good this is completely fake. you are only interested in those that accept jesus. only a monster would claim it is a fare punishment for a good person to die because they don't accept jesus * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 02:49am

@ alvar89 - 31.08.15 - 05:47pm
You might be a person with decent morals and harm noone but most of the ppl are not going the same root what is there to do about them? Kill them or let them kill others? How can such ppl get a change of heart a second chance?

again don't try to pretend you or the bible care about good people. that lie has been exposed * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 03:00am

@ alvar89 - 31.08.15 - 05:58pm
So why even talk about Jesus when you think the Gospels are a lie? Why even side with the jews on the Torah? Was John the baptist a liar who said Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world? Why do you keep on manipulating with the verses you ultimately think are a man made lie? Take away the Christian doctrine and were would the world be right now? We would propably not even exist anymore. Its clear you are one of those pushing towards Christianity being pushed away and banned so you could all live by the so called better morals the same thing you hate helped to build those better behaviour and morals in the first place.

we would be were we are. we would simply have used the same rules in a different format. you see we are social being that live in large groups. societies can not survive if they do not have certain rules. it was bad to kill and steal long before the bible came about. even the aboriginals had story's that taught morals, those storys don't have to be true but they make them seem to be. * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 03:04am

@ alvar89 - 31.08.15 - 06:05pm
You say like we actually learned what was good or evil and could ourselves without God decide which is which. The problem was they wanted to be the ones getting the knowledge to decide for themselves even tough they did not get the power of God who sees ahead what will cause what in the big picture.

well isn't this interesting from the man that claims free will was such a necessary part of it all, so free will with god deciding everything

and yes of course we would have learnt what was good or evil. by the things that made up prosper and the things that did not * +

manszar 1.09.15 - 03:10am

@ alvar89 - 31.08.15 - 06:08pm
The if is a clear indication of it being not forced upon by God actually the choice being on man not that God did not know whether man would betray Him or not.

not forced upon by man. god set it up that way according to you, before the creation of the world remember. the if is a clear indication of doubt. * +