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kimjongl 19.06.18 - 02:32pm
Minimum wage dictates what you can sell your labour for. It takes the decision about the use of your own body and mind out of your hands. All to cater for the useless in society who don't have what it takes to command the wage they want.

The net result, like exactly what is happening here in SA, is that no one gets a job. * +

kimjongl 19.06.18 - 02:34pm

@ 9362 - 19.06.18 - 02:30pm
Turns out he described himself in 2010 as a working class tory. Look him up Kim, interesting man

If he was a socialist he would have forced the people selling the magazine to pool the sales and share it equally. Totally disregarding individuals who sold more because of their own hard work. That way no ones feelings would have gotten hurt, there would have been no 'wealth inequality' and the whole program would have ended in dismal failure. Like socialism always does. * +

vampboy 19.06.18 - 03:06pm

@ kimjongl - 19.06.18 - 02:14pm
What I've never understood is how leftists claim to want happiness for everyone, which is a noble desire, but then promote collectivism and socialism which is the greatest destroyer of wealth and creator of poverty ever seen.

If you really wanted happiness for all, individualism and private enterprise is the best path to achieve it.

Most ''leftists'' don't want a socialist society or enforced collectivism, they merely want an evaluation on human worth as measured on society, is that really difficult to understand? It doesn't make one a commie for wishing to think of those with less. Countless communities throughout the world are exploited day in and day out, and those are also the places where communist prevalence increases. Can you not see the correlation? You can continue ignoring the obvious and stand firmly with the capitalist notion, but without reevaluation, this is all going to go down the drain. * +

vampboy 19.06.18 - 03:09pm

@ kimjongl - 19.06.18 - 02:18pm
And you've forgotten the most important aspect of humans. That we are self preserving. Watch a student socialist look at their first pay check. Watch them look at all the nice government deductions for all the nice government programs they probably were in favour of. That is how a capitalist is born.

Disillusionment leads to individuals chasing the illusionary idea of happiness in the form of parchments of paper and the idea they can attain it if they were wealthy enough, knowing that breaking out of the class hierarchy is largely impossible for most individuals... Yes, I see what you are saying clearly. * +

vampboy 19.06.18 - 03:11pm

@ kimjongl - 19.06.18 - 02:32pm
Minimum wage dictates what you can sell your labour for. It takes the decision about the use of your own body and mind out of your hands. All to cater for the useless in society who don't have what it takes to command the wage they want.

The net result, like exactly what is happening here in SA, is that no one gets a job.

You mean in large parts of the world where people have absolutely fu*k all choice than to sell their bodies for the companies that are their only source of food, clothing and housing? It's insane to think a large majority of the the world living just above or under the poverty line have a choice in how they sell their bodies when it's a system enforced for years that dictates how they can and should live.
* +

vampboy 19.06.18 - 03:17pm

@ kimjongl - 19.06.18 - 02:34pm
If he was a socialist he would have forced the people selling the magazine to pool the sales and share it equally. Totally disregarding individuals who sold more because of their own hard work. That way no ones feelings would have gotten hurt, there would have been no 'wealth inequality' and the whole program would have ended in dismal failure. Like socialism always does.

If the magazine industry had such a level of inequity that it wasn't the hardwork that determine the output you receive but rather the control over the industrial mechanism you had, then the ''socialist'' would seek to reduce/eliminate the inequity, which the pigs obviously would run away from miles away, and of course continue pretending that everyone in picture is receiving an equal pay based on the effort they put in... Just as they always do. * +

vampboy 19.06.18 - 03:19pm
Truth of the matter is, the label of socialist or capitalist, it's irrelevant, I disdain labels for that very reason. These labels take common sense away from people and force them to conform to a rigid system.. everything contradictory to free thinking. * +

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