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Subject: Predestination In The Bible
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purest1 1.05.11 - 11:38pm
Predestination only involves salvation, nothing else. God didn't fore-ordain what you'll eat or who you'll marry or where you'll live or what career you'd choose. But when it comes to salvation God predestinated the elect from the foundation of the world. * +

purest1 1.05.11 - 11:42pm
Today the word predestination is closely associated with calvinism. Maybe because John calvin stressed it more. But do you know that he did not originate the concept? In fact both the concept and the word itself are in the Bible. I will prove this. * +

purest1 1.05.11 - 11:47pm
Predestination is an uncomfortable and unpopular doctrine in the church today. Ministers are fidgety about it and non-christians mock it and say it flies right in the face of freewill. This is only true if you adopt calvin's fairly flawed interpretation. To calvin, right from conception, some people are destined for hell and others for heaven and there is nothing they can do to alter their fates. * +

purest1 1.05.11 - 11:54pm
The clearest references to predestination are as follows: first , Romans 8:29-30 ''Those whom he FOREKNEW, he also PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of his son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren. Moreover those whom he PREDESTINATED, them he called, and those he called he justified, and those he justified, he also glorified.'' * +

purest1 1.05.11 - 11:59pm
The second is Ephes. 1:4:5 ''.. He has CHOSEN us in him from before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame in him in love: Having PREDESTINATED us to the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.'' * +

purest1 2.05.11 - 12:08am
The first links the concept of God's foreknowledge to predestination. The two are related but are NOT the same. This is the error we make sometimes. God USES his foreknowledge to predestinate but foreknowledge and predestination are different things. Predestination is ACTIVE. It is something God does, not simply what he knows. If you are predestinated for life he takes certain steps to make sure.. * +

purest1 2.05.11 - 12:11am
you get it. If you are predestinated for death (eternal death) God also TAKES CERTAIN STEPS to ensure that it happens. I will show this. This may appear grossly unfair but once you grasp the seemingly elusive link between freewill and predestination its not the case. * +

wales83 2.05.11 - 12:15am
oh yeah bang on! * +

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